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Dr Kojak
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Posted - 2006.09.10 17:19:00 -
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To CCP and whom it may concern!!
The last week has been horrible in regards to lag and slow servers. For those of us with PvP as main trade it has been more of a disgrace! :-(
It is with a heavy heart I read about new player-barriers broken. There is no point in letting the playerbase grow when immense lag is what awaits them.
http://www.eve-online.com/news/newsOfEve.asp?newsID=357
Having played this game a long time now, and might I add, paying my "bills" in time, every single time, I expect far more from CCP. When helping with the Beta, lag and server problems were OK because we were all there to help discover and remove them. Even after the first year, these problems were tolerable. Now however, the tables have turned and it is time for CCP to give us what our money pays for!
If you have to divide your dear tranquility into several clusters, remove bookies, or even let TomB have a bigger bat; well I dont care, just make this game playable again. Or you could of course make this game free to play until the issues are fixed!
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Posted - 2006.09.10 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jeni Shinnen is it possible to have a fully proffesional medical diagnosis from you for the servers?
P.s. suppors dr kojak in his rant
It is of course possible, allthough I felle I have paid CCP more than they deserve allready...
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Dr Kojak
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Posted - 2006.09.10 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: ElGuapo The lag was fixed in febuary by adding more hardware but that only allowed more people to collect in a system like jita until it became a problem again.
For a solution read my post:
Overcrowding in Jita and other systems
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=393684
Thank you for your support ElGuapo. However, I expect an answer from CCP directly on this one; a far better answer than "Our servers went down, we are looking into the problem and sincerly apologize for the problem!". We (the playerbase) will fall for this only so many times..
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Dr Kojak
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Posted - 2006.09.10 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kyo Makamoto Please move Jita to the chinese server.
LOL
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Dr Kojak
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Posted - 2006.09.10 18:18:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Kojak on 10/09/2006 18:18:43
Originally by: Alexander Kiernov Biggest rant I've ever seen... Yes, there's been a few problems the last few days, but I would hardly call it unplayable to the point that I'll quit. In fact, when the BM patch went live TQ worked better than what it has in years imo. And don't give us crap about sharding, if CCP decides to shard TQ I'll be the first one to desubscribe, and that's a promise! Oh and by the way, for spamming about this stupid thread in most (if not all) bigger chat channels in game and disturbing my blissful cruising you are not so popular in my eyes, sir.
Ohhhh, I'm shakin' I'm shakin'! Yet even you, a person of selvdesided utterly importance admits to the lag! Sharding may not be the solution we are looking for. The thing is that it is CCP that should come up with the answer. This isnt a beta-version anymore and we are paying good money for it. Thanx for your input Alex :-)
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Dr Kojak
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Posted - 2006.09.11 07:51:00 -
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Fellow EvE'rs
I thank you for your support in showing that there are more than just a couple of players who experience lag. Having a very state of the art computer, running sli graphics and having 2 gigs mem + raptor disks, I can surely say that lag on my computer is not caused by, err well, my computer. Being stuck in traffic controls, being disconnected when jumping in more than 10 people through the same gate, having immense lag when more than 10 enemies jumps in on ya.... well thats what I for my part have experienced the last couple of days.
Please note that most of the people posting here are from different countries, they have different connections and different computers. Yes, some might even, and God forbid, have computers powerful enough to run the game. Where might the lag come from then??? You tell me!!!
I thought I'd never say this, but World of Warcraft and Blizzard have taken upon themselves to make their game playable (even though it sucks) regardless of their customers having a state of the art computer or not.
I am however not going to put up a list of how to fix the lag because I pay CCP to do exactly that, and so do every other eve player!!!
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Posted - 2006.09.11 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: Zarch AlDain I'm sure they are working on it - and some systems are definately worse than others.
I do agree that the last few days (in particular) have shown a steady degradation in performance - but at various times since Dragon I have actually seen lag being a lot better.
For Jita they cannot stop people going there - they definately need to tweak the gates (again) though so no autopilot goes through it.
We could do with an 'avoid busy systems' option in the autopilot that is on by default too.
They are always "working on it!". And they always say "sorry for the inconvenience!". Problem is that they have been "working on it" for many years now.. As I said before, It is not up to us to fix this for CCP, they are to fix it themselves; thats what we pay them to do!
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Posted - 2006.09.11 08:48:00 -
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LOL at Jarl
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Posted - 2006.09.11 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Laythun I support the following initiative.
Everyone that threatens to leave, unless there demands are met, are instantly banned for 7 days (to reduce lag). also
everyone that complains and *****es like its there god given right to have everything perfect all the time are banned for 14 days (thus reducing more lag)
see where this is going?
If you complaining about ONE week of lag, how bout u put it into perspective? how much 'serious lag' have you had in 3+ years of retail Eve?
Thanx for the input. However, there is only a certain amount of lag that is tolerable. Summing up all lag and serverproblems we have had and comparing it to other online rpgs/action games is what one should do. I was saying that this week of lag and problems were enough for to express my concern about EvE and negative belief in CCP. Being pure pvp, 3 years of lag is quite expensive I must insist.
Additionally it is my PAID right to express what I feel about the game when the product I pay for (and love to a certain degree) is not what I believe it should be like.
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Posted - 2006.09.11 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: codepic I've had a lot of serious lag. And this was when I was able to log into eve!!!
Oh, those golden eve beta-test days... You couldn't even imagine the lag =)
Since then, the lag situation has only got better while the userbase has dramatically increased.
I don't have a state of the art computer. I built it myself 2001. It's operating system was last reinstalled in the beginning of 2005, since then, no reinstalls of Operating System. I got 100+ programs installed on this machine. One could say it is as possible lag beast as anyone could imagine.
Still, while people whine about lag, I'm like what lag?
You have to understand that 100% of lag is human generated in some form. If the eve universe was totally empty, there would be no lag. So try to figure out by monitoring what YOU are doing a lot, and try to figure out how to either avoid it or how to make it less stressing for the servers. However, if the only solution you can come up with is that you threaten to quit eve, then bye bye... It's just more resources for the less whiny players.
You cannot expect CCP to constantly visit these forums and announce what they have acknowledged and what they'll do about it. The last time they did, they said they're going to limit the copying of bookmarks to 5 at a time (while the whole copying was made speedier and they are in process of developing an improved replacement for the whole BM system). This lead to ppl copy aggressively massive amounts of bookmarks before the change (because ppl really didn't understand what CCP said) which lead to a lot of lag which probably lead to this thread (last week's lag issues)
Just my 5 cents. Less whine, more helping with IDEAS.... Please
I am not threating to stop playing EvE. Its a great game and I love it. However I strongly believe CCP are able to make it far superior in regards to lag. CCP does not have me on their paylist, thus I do not have to come up with suggestions on how to fix the problem. I do however encourage people to help CCP. But, seeing the last proposals on the forum being shredded apart by players with different beliefs and different insight in computers and networking, CCP are probably better off to try one of their own solutions and see if it works. If it doesnt work, well.. try something else. Patches are coming out every other day anyways..
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Posted - 2006.09.11 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Noveron Wether or not we should keep playing for free till most lag issues are solved.. I prefer not to side with any opinion. Although I think Dr Kojak has some valid points that deserve attention.
CCP, the game has become more faulty than I can remember in certain aspects and lag is increasing dangerously, aside from other issues that are right now... "very annoying" to express it softly.
Solutions now CCP!!, please.
I salute you and thank you for seeing and supporting my pov!
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Posted - 2006.09.11 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Usotsuki Play during off-times.
Seriously, when i log in at 5 in the morning my modules actually respond in a timely manner and omg the market loads SO much faster.
but i understand that's not plausible for most ppl
Pirating and off-time is not a perfect combo m8! lol
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Posted - 2006.09.11 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Zarch AlDain My suggestion: Disable free trial issuing until the lag is fixed.
Allthough I have stated that I am not willing to make any suggestions to CCP as to what they should do I heartily applaude Zarch for this suggestion. Bet CCP is negative to this proposal as they will highjack less new players.
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Posted - 2006.09.11 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Godar Marak Put a holt to new accounts, CCP you dont need more subscribers. More people will only kill off your playerbase because there would be even more lag than the laggiest lag from lagsville!
Even if they stop letting in new players they will have a problem satisfying the customers they allready have. "The laggiest lag from lagsville" <-- thats a lot of lag!!!
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Posted - 2006.09.11 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Noveron
Originally by: Grigo then just restrict them to use the test server ....that way theres suficient test personel and they can see what the game is about :)
IMO, but not having thought too much about it, this could be a very brilliant idea. You can get the feel of how EVE is like in the test server. Any other feedback on this subject?
I like the suggestion. Even more I hope the devs are reading this and are willing to make an official statement on the problems except from their usual "The servers are down, we are sorry for the inconvenience"!!
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Posted - 2006.09.12 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: Anders Chydenius I lost about 2 hours of training on sunday while I was at my computer and the servers were up, because I couldn't load into jita. That's not acceptable.
Two hours is nothing m8. Yet you pay for this game and 2 hours off here and there soon becomes too much. There are people who have lost lots oh ships and far more skilltraining due to the last days lag. Summing up all the times we have had server problems this becomes far more than we bargained for....
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Posted - 2006.09.12 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ellaine TashMurkon Lag is painfull, but it happens only in limited set of situations, like; -big fleet engagements -highest traffic systems -after recent changes, server reconfiguration etc.
I thank you for your input. The last days however, people have been placed in 2-3 minute jump-queues into empty 0.0 systems. They have been unable to log in and just fitting a ship in station takes forever to load. I've experienced it myself and this is not densly populated systems (tehy wont let me into high sec for some reason..yarr). So, as you can see the reason for me posting this rant is not due to standard serverside lag!!
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Posted - 2006.09.12 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Hypo Psycho i didnt read all the replys but i have an idea.
all those that are unhappy with the lag, put on a long skill, and take a break.
those that stay will then have less lag because there will be a lower strain on the servers, its a win win situation (for me anyway)
The thing is that some lag now and then is tolerable and somewhat expected. The "problem" comes when youre unable to log in, when youre placed in jump qeues for 5 minutes into an almost empty system; and when you loose your ship without ever having the slightest idea of whats going on because you lag out even before you see what happens!!
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Posted - 2006.09.14 07:29:00 -
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Originally by: Frank Draconian Isn't the real reason for having a separate server for China because of the restrictions the chinese government places on game content?
I think the chinese version also allows for isk-farmers, all other chinese servers do.
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Dr Kojak
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Posted - 2006.09.17 12:41:00 -
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Having seen Oveurs last dev blog - lets see what Kali can come up with. I am sure many of the problems will still occur along with several new ones.
As I said before, I'd rather have a slow-developing game with stabile servers than a fast developing, unstable game as of today.
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